I've thought about sitting down and writing about the Canadian immigration process for months, so here's me getting around to it!
Lucky for us, I am migrating to Canada on the basis of family ties (i.e. my dearest Canadian hubby .miQ), so the painful waiting part of the application process barely took four months for us. A number of people on different forums report that Americans with no family ties have to wait for up to 36 months before they are able to start their new and improved Canadian lives. It really makes you wonder what they could possibly do with the forms and family pictures for three years...
The whole process began in the beginning of May. Back then we were naive and silly, thinking that we would be able to fly through it in a matter of weeks. Looking at the online manuals, we quickly realized that it was not going to be a cheap or quick process. My case was further complicated by the fact that I had spent a significant portion of time studying in the States, which meant that I needed to get FBI clearance from the U.S. before applying for Canadian permanent residence.
Hence, the first step for me was to find out how to acquire the FBI clearance all the way from Tallinn, Estonia. I talked to a polite fellow at the U.S. embassy who didn't sound too interested in Canadian immigration matters, but sort of pointed me in the right direction. It turned out that I have to submit an FBI Identification Record Request, along with my fingerprints and a payment. Lucky for me, I possess an international credit card. Even luckier for me, the Estonian police were extremely helpful in helping me track down the Estonian fingerprinters, even though it was the first time that they had a random civilian take their fingerprints for the purposes of FBI clearance. (Apparently they had done it for a few criminal individuals, but they had always been escorted by U.S. embassy reps, etc.)
The people at the forensic police department were surprisingly understanding and told me to come in so a lab technician could take my prints. So I took the cab to the south end of Tallinn, to the CSI, Tallinn. I was greeted by a fingerprinting specialist, who led me to a classroom filled with student cops and started dabbing my fingers with ink while they continued their lecture on international crime databases. She was very thorough - after we were done with the first sheet, she got me to wash my hands and put on some moisturizer, so that the prints would come out better on the second, extra sheet (just in case). And because they had never offered this kind of service to civilians off the street, the whole process cost me nothing!
On my way back to work, I stopped at the Tallinn Crime Registry, where I dropped off my application for a copy of my Estonian criminal record (or, rather, lack thereof). The lady who greeted me was quite stern, but after looking me up in her system, she seemed to realize that I am not the usual convict and gave me an inkling of a smile.
That is the one thing I love about Estonians. They may look suicidal, but once they smile, it's the most rewarding smile on the planet and the sun comes out from behind the clouds.
The next step was to get all the official paperwork officially translated, notarized, legalized and validated at the Canadian embassy. I tracked down Luisa Tõlkebüroo, who offered the translating and notarizing service as a package, and managed the translation in a week. Cost: about 1500 kroons. We then proceeded to drop the paperwork off at the Estonian Foreign Ministry, where they charged us 5 x 230 kroons for putting their stamp on each paper. Now, that's all fine and dandy, we're talking about a professional translator doing the job and the big important Foreign Ministry giving their stamp of approval for a couple of hundred kroons.
However, we then realized that we ALSO have to get every piece of paper approved at the Canadian Embassy, for 500 kroons a document, so a total of 2500 kroons.
So, let me see if I got this straight. I've already gotten my documents translated by a professional translator and approved by a legal institution. I've passed the airport-grade security checks to score some signatures at the foreign ministry. But now I also have to pay a ton of money to have the Estonians at the Canadian embassy give me one times five more stamps?
If anyone can explain any rationale behind this requirement, I'd be utterly grateful, because to me it seems like one additional way to squeeze the applicant for his/her money.
It must be also said that the Canadian embassy in Tallinn provided us with no actual support whatsoever. They don't even seem to have any actual Canadians working at the embassy! The only response we got from them was "Contact Poland, we have no idea". Now, I do realize that on their website it says that they are only the embassy and they do not deal with immigration matters, but what do they do there then, besides functioning as a postal office (forwarding everything to Poland) and enjoying the prime view?
Having gotten all the paperwork legalized, we then spent hours and hours going over the instruction manuals provided on the CIC website. Since the manuals were partially useless, we then spent a few weeks bugging the Polish Embassy (responsible for visa and immigration matters in Eastern Europe) with all sorts of questions, until they politely told us that we would probably be fine.
I then scheduled a time with the licenced medical practicioner in Tallinn and went in for my medical checkup. I was so nervous that my blood pressure was 130/80, which is pretty high for me, but the doctor said it would be fine. Paid him a 1000 kroons for 10 minutes of his time, Xray, and a few blood tests.
We then FedExed all the paperwork to the Case Processing Center in Mississauga, ON where it arrived on the 19th of June.
In July, we got a letter from the Mississauga office, confirming that Mike's sponsorhip application had been approved, which meant that our grounds for immigration had been officially validated. Yay! The next letter said that our paperwork had been received in Poland for the rest of the processing and that we shouldn't bug the officials until a given date in October. It was quite relief to know that everything had made it across the ocean and back in one piece. (For the FBI paperwork it was the fourth time crossing the ocean!:) )
There was a major setback in August, when we were informed by the Polish office that their designated medical practicioner had failed to provide them with my HIV test results. Upon inquiring about it from the doctor, it turned out that he had simply forgotten to take my blood test for that purpose. The timing of the notice was flawless as well - we got the letter the night before leaving for our anniversary trip to Paris, France, so we got to spend our time in Paris worrying about our application being on hold... *sigh
I can deal with bureaucracy, but I can't deal with human error. This was by far the most frustrating part of the application process - knowing that you had done everything right and somebody else screwed up, postponing your entire life.
Quite the lesson in patience and human compassion. (Especially when I called the doctor and he actually thought I was immigrating to Australia - wow!)
I went in to give blood as soon as I got back from my trip to Paris. In the online instructions for medical practicioners it says that they are required to brief the patient on the meaning and the potential implications of the HIV test. The instructions also say that the patient should come in in person to get the results and be told what the results mean. In Estonia, things seem to be different. I went in, never saw the doctor, paid MORE money, gave blood, and was told that I could call for the results if I wanted. (Quite different from the procedure in the States, where they release no info whatsoever over the phone...)
Anyhow, on the 4th of October we opened our mailbox and found a yellow envelope. Opened it with shaky hands and rushed to the phone to tell my parents the good news. In the letter I was instructed to bring in my passport to the Canadian embassy in Tallinn, so that they can mail it to Poland. It also wished me a "happy and successful future life in Canada". Cute.
I got up early on the morning of October 8th and climbed all the way up to the embassy, just to find out that the Estonians at the Canadian embassy were taking a day off to celebrate Canadian thanksgiving. The English sign on the door said that they would be closed on the 8th, and the French and Estonian notes said that they would be closed on the 3rd. Go figure. (And yeah, I had to climb back up there during my lunch break on the next day.)
So here we are, five months later, about 15000 kroons poorer, excited, scared, happy. I'm supposed to receive my passport with my "stamp of approval" (and the application for my social insurance number) on October 23rd. We even bought one-way plane tickets and will be arriving in Vancouver on December 30th. Pretty cool eh?
Friday, October 12, 2007
Final steps
Posted by glitch at 11:23 AM
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GOOD LUCK!
Thank you for the link. Sorry about that other, deleted post. :)
YAY! Come back to this continent, Kristel! We miss you!
Even though I'd heard about many of these difficulties from you, seeing them all laid out like that is pretty terrifying.
I'll be in Denver when you arrive, and probably in Indianapolis after that, but I'll be making my way to over to visit you guys just as soon as I possibly can.
Vancouver is for lovers!
Dara
tere. väga informatiivne blogi. mul on küsimus, et sa ütlesid,et Miq on sinu hubby, et siis olete abielus. mul on pulmad 24. jaanuar 2009. sama olukord mis sul. mina eestlane.poiss kanadast,ontariost. ma suvel olen kanadas ,aga september-detsember eestis. kas sa soovitad alustada seda protsessi kohe ja et septembris lähen teen need arstil käigud, ja paberi tõlkimised ära. ja siis saadan poola. või võib see tähendada,et ma pulmade ajaks eio saagi passi tagas`i?. et siis teine variant on alustada protessiga peale pulmi. mis sa soovitad?
Tere Ann,
Po~himo~tteliselt soovitaksin alustada protsessi kohe selles m6ttes, et v6tta yhendust Poola tegelastega ja nendele olukorda selgitada:
re-warsaw-im-enquiry (at) international.gc.ca
P2rast pulmi protsessiga alustada kindlasti ei soovita - pigem nii pea kui v6imalik. Koha pealt v6tab paberite tagaajamine ja k6ik muu palju kauem aega ning kogu taotlusprotsessi k2igus selgub kindlasti p2ris mitu asja, mille peale ei oleks enne Kanadasse s6itu tulnudki (et kuskilt mingit notari t6endit v6tta vms..) Eks kohalikud eesti esindused aitaksid ka, aga see k6ik v6taks aega. Minu teada v6tab taotluse menetlemine koha peal millegip2rast ka tunduvalt rohkem aega. Kogu selle aja peaksid aga Kanadas veetma t66loata ja korraliku staatuseta.
Varem alustades ei ole midagi kaotada, sest sa ei pea oma passi kohe esimeste paberitega 2ra saatma. Viisa saad passi alles siis kui k6ik korras, so 2-3 kuud peale avalduse sisse andmist meie puhul). Viisa kehtib Kanadasse sisenemiseks aasta aega.
T6tt-6elda hakkavad mul need detailid juba 2ra ununema, aga Poola omad oskavad kindlasti t2pselt 6elda, mis k6ige parem ajastuse poole pealt oleks.
Loodan, et sellest on abi.
oi aitähh kiire vastuse eest. ma siis ei oota pulmi ära. mul hetkel piletid kanada olemas 20märst-15sept. täpselt 6 kuud. ma teen seal oma ülikooli prakikat..ja lõputööd ka. kohe kui eesti tulen sept, hakkan asja ajama. et kui ma peangi dets lõpus oma passi ära saatma, siis ma saan ju Eestist omale uue passi ka taotleda, et ikka pulmadeks ise kanada jõuda, ja keegi võib mulle mu kleepekaga passi järgi saata :P. aga ma uurin poolakatelt koos oma poiskaga kohe varsti, mis nad arvaksid.
Kanadasse pead sisenema sama passiga mille oma avalduse peale paned ning kuhu tempel sisse l2heb, mingit teist varianti teha ei saa. See templi panemise l6pufaas v6tab ainult n2dala-paar, suurema aja v6tab eelnev paberiv2rgindus.
Kui septembri alguses avalduse sisse annad, siis v6ib juhtuda, et sa ei saa pulmade ajaks oma elamisluba k2tte - ametlikult ytlevad nad, et v6ib kuluda kuus kuni yheksa kuud.
Kui sa enne loa k2ttesaamist niisama kylalisena elama l2hed, v6ib olukord minna veelgi keerulisemaks, sest Kanadasse migreerumisel on teised protseduurid kui Kanadasiseselt oma migratsioonistaatuse vahetamisel. Pealegi peavad nad kogu kommunikatsiooni ja load-paberid saatma su Eesti aadressile ja passi saatmine peab ka toimuma Eesti saatkonna kaudu.
Hmm, mulle tundub et sa v6iksid v6ibolla isegi oma avalduse praegu sisse anda, sest minu arust on sul mingi aeg p2rast vastuse teadasaamist aega oodata, enne kui pead passi Poola saatma. K6ige ideaalsem oleks, kui saaksid loa juba septembriks k2tte, et saaksid siis oma passi rahulikult poolakatele saata ja 6igeks ajaks k6ik korda.
Aga v6ibolla on nyydseks juba midagi muutunud ja poolakad soovitavad hoopis midagi muud:)
Igatahes edu! Lihtne see ei ole, aga asi on seda v22rt!
aitähh veelkord!.
ma siin loen ka nüüd hoolega kodulehekülgi.ma vaatasin,et linnas kus ma lähen (Guelph,Ontario) on ka arste,kes sobivad seda arsti läbivaatust tegema. et ma saaks siis kohe inglise keelse tõendi sealt kätte, pole vaja eestis tõlkida. Saadame avalduse koos poisiga varsti teele, siis tuleb millalgi ilmselt vastus, et milliseid dokumente nad vajavad (kriminaalrekord..jne). siis tuleb mul paus kuni septembrini, kui saan kriminalrekordi kätte,lasen ära tõlkida ja siis õiged templid peale ja siis kohe 20 september vajalikud dokumendid teele. kas siis oleks võimalik,et detsembri alguses tuleb palve,et saadte nüüd oma pass poola, et kõik on korras. palju sul see ajaline paus oli, kui sa selle HIV testi ka ära olid saatnud, ja kui tuli kiri,et võite nüüd passi saata`?
ma olen veel tallinnas laupäevast-neljapäevani. neljapäeval kell 18 olen juba lennus. äkki ma saan midagi väga vajalikku korda saata nende päevadega. oeh.. mul sassis kõik hetkel
Ma saatsin k6ik paberid (kriminaalt6endid, arsti juures k2iku t6endav paber, meie "suhet" t6endavad fotod, jne jne) avaldusega koos 2ra ning maksin k6ik asjad ette 2ra (seal on lisaks avaldusele veel mingid t2iesti arusaamatud lisatasud mis tuleb enne viisa passi l66mist 2ra tasuda) ning ootasin p2rast avalduse sisseandmist umbes kolm ja pool kuud.
Siis tuli kiri, et saatke pass, see k2is Poolas 2ra kahe n2dalaga. Teoreetiliselt oleks v6inud fyysiliselt ise ka Poolasse kohale minna, aga meil ei olnud minekuga nii kiiret.
Seega kui septembris need sisse annad, v6ib juhtuda, et pyhade t6ttu ei j6uta sellega 2007. aastanumbri sees tegeleda. Kui meie ajastust arvesse v6tta, siis v6iks nagu pulmadeks paberid korda saada. (Aga kui mingigi paber ununema peaks, l2heb mitu kuud kohe otsa.)
Yks asi veel, mida vaadata, on see et sul pass v6imalikult kaua kehtiks. Su permanent residence permit antakse t2pselt nii pikaks kui su passi kehtivusaeg on. Kui pass "otsa saab", pead kogu jama uuesti l2bi tegema. Mina lasin endale seet6ttu enne tulekut uue passi teha - see v6ttis j2lle oma n2dalakese...
Kirjuta sinna Poola kohe ja kysi nendelt t2pselt mida tegema peaksid. Neljap2evaks j6uaks tegelikult m6ned paberid ka 2ra t6lgitud, notariseeritud ja legaliseeritud, aga pead vist ylikiirelt tegutsema.
Suur aitähh su pikkade ja põhjalike vastuste eest. Ma saatsin kirja sinna aadressile mis sa andsid.Näis mis poolakad vastavad. mul on veel see asi,et mul pole vaba raha hetkel. viimane raha läks lennupiletite peale. Ma mõtlesin, et kui nad vastavad mulle,et kui sept asjad sisse annan ja läheb aega kuni jaanuari lõpuni-siis ma ei hakka selle viisa asjaga tegelema. pean pulmad ära jaanuaris..siis saan ju viisavabalt ka 6 kuud olla. Päris nii kaua ma ei ole. Käin pulmareisil ära USAś ..siis peaks idejärgi juba USA ka viisavaba olema. Ja peale pulmareisi tulen Eestisse 3 kuuks..või siis nii kaua kui vaja,et viisa kätte saada. (see plaan juhul,kui nad ütlevad,et ma ei saa enne kui jaanuari lõpus viisat kätte). Vaata sa ütlesid,et pole hea protsessi käigus külastaja viisaga kanadas käia,et see segaks protsessi. Aga eestlasel pole ju külstaja viisat vaja. et siis ma algatan protsessi kohe, kui võimalik. sept keskel saadan vajalikud dokumendid...ja siis jään ümbrikku ootama..ja kui seda pole enne pulmi veel tulnud, siis sõidan kanada pulma. sest legaalselt pole mulle veel mingit märki passi pantud, ja olen vaba eestlane kes võib reisida eks?
(p.s. mul on nii hea meel,et su blogi leidsin..see pani mind mõtlema,et ma oleks juba ennem pidanud mõtlema hakkama :S:(. ma olen 18 jaanuarist alates eestis.oeh. stupid me!)
uh. üks variant veel. et kui jaanuari alguses tuleb kiri,et saatke pass...siis ma võin ju läbi poola kanadasse minna (ma ükskord käisin)ja ise passi sinna viia ja ära tuua.
e-mail põrkus mulle tagasi. mingi error.
re-warsaw-im-enquiry@international.gc.ca:
198.103.104.106 failed after I sent the message.
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otsisin sealt kodulehelt mingit muud e-maili . aga seal ainult,et call-center :S
Eestlastel pole jah kylalisviisat vaja, aga kanadasiseselt meil seda asja ajada ei soovitatud millegip2rast. Viisaga ei ole selle puhul midagi tegemist, pigem sellega, et ajad asju Eestist v2ljaspool ning k6ik notarid ja asjad ei ole k2ttesaadavad.
Me m6tlesime ka esialgu selle peale, et lihtsalt Kanadasse tulla ja siit seda asja ajada. Aga tagasi vaadates on hea, et seda ei teinud - meil tuli kogu selle kammajaa juures tosin sellist yllatust mille peale ei oleks tulnudki - kyll synnitunnistuse, t66raamatu, kesteabmille veel notariseerimise osas. Ei saa aru miks nad t66raamatu notariseeritud ja legaliseeritud t6lget n2ha tahtsid, aga isegi selle pidime poolakate soovitusel ette n2itama.
Teoreetiliselt on jah see Poolast passi peale v6tmine ja k6ik muu v6imalik (kuigi pileteid ei saa yheks paketis osta, sest et Tallinna lennujaamast l6puni sissechekkimmiseks pead ette n2itama passi, ID-kaardist Kanada puhul ei piisa).
Kogu inf on netis ka olemas, seal cic.gov kodulehekyljel. Loodan, et saad asjad korda ja et Guelph, Ontario on ka seda v22rt:D
ma ise loodan ka üheks hetkeks sellega ühele poole saada. Ma ei mõelnud tegelikult Kanadast asju ajada, vaid Eestis septembris asju ajada..ning kui jaanuari keskpaigaks ma pole veel kirja saanud,et saatke oma pass poola, siis ma võin lihtsalt pulma sõita, ja peale pulmi eesti tulla..ja siis see lõppetapp teha.
või siis jaanuaris ise poola sõita, pass anda..ja nii kaua poolas olla, kui passi see imepärane moodustis pannakse.
päris põnevad teised sissekanded on sul ka :D. ma hakkasin ka alles siis blogi pidama, kui eelmine aprill esimest korda Kanada läksin. ma vaatasin et sul mac´is final cut pro, kas sa tegeled ka filmimaailmaga?. muidu me võiks e-maile ka vahetada, et teinekordki suhelda :)
Kuule jah, tegelen kyll:)
Kirjutaks v6i MSN-iks otse ehk? Ma ei leidnud kusagilt su yhtegi kontakti...
tere
Lugesin küll su postitusi, kuid jäi veidi segaseks. Kui plaanin kanadasse tööle minna ja tööd veel hetkel pole, siis ma ei saa ju mingit tööloa taotlust täita eestis? Või mismoodi sel juhul protsess välja näeb? Lennukiga maandumisel tahavad ju ka, et täidaksin mingi maandumisankeedi.
Tänud ette!
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Leidsin su blogi kui otsisin infot kuidas immigreeruda Kanadasse.
Mul seisab nüüd ees sarnane kadalipp, sest abiellusin just hiljuti Montreallasega, oleme koos olnud juba 4 aastat, ning tahaks lõpuks koos elada, mitte 'külas' käia.
Mul on selline küsimus, et saad sa äkki aidata selles suhtes, et millised paberid sa täpselt legaliseerima pidid. Nagu ma aru saan tuleb legaliseerida abielutunnistus ja sünnitunnistus ja siis see politsei dokument. Aga mida veel oleks vaja, ma ei oska ettegi kujutada.
Mehega koos oleme umbes nädala juba üritanud lahti tõlgendada Poola kodulehe instukrtsioone, mis on nagu sürreaalne puzzle, mis läheb aina edasi ja edasi ja edasi hehe.
Kunagi aastaid tagasi sai Kanada viisat aetud Eesti esindusega, oeh, see oli hea hoiatus, nad ei maini kunagi veebilehel kõike mida tegema peakid, et pabereid uuesti tagasi ei saadetaks. Viisa saamiseks kulus mul 5 kuud, kuna pidin intevjuud ootama, ses polnud kõik dokumendid õigesti tõlgitud ja seda intervjuud tehakse Eestis vaid kaks korda aastas!!Ünneks enam viisat pole, olen saanud vabalt edasi-tagasi lennata niipalju kui soovin.
Igastahes, loodan ,et saad mind natukenegi aidata.
Ette tänades,
Grete
Mul oli veel seal juures tööraamat (mis tegelikult vist mitte kedagi ei huvita). Viiendat paberit ei ole ma suutnud juba pikemat aega välja mõelda - siinsamas postitanud Ann küsis mõni aeg tagasi mu käest selle kohta ja ma lihtsalt ei ole suutnud meelde tuletada. Mul on tunne, et ma võisin sinna igaks juhuks juurde panna veel midagi ebaolulist, näiteks eestikeelse keskkooli lõputunnistuse.
Meil läks nende instruktsioonide uurimisega ka päris kaua aega. Konkreetsete küsimuste puhlu sai abi poola saatkonnast meilitsi; legaliseerimise osas välisministeeriumist. Põhimõtteliselt ongi marsruut vandetõlk - välismin - Kanada saatkond Toomkooli 13 ja igas kohas tuleb teatud summa maksta.
Kusagil CIC kodukal peaks üleval olema ka checklistid - kui nende järgi on kõik olemas ei tohiks probleemi olla! Me panime igaks juhuks kõiki pilte ja selgitusi topelt, aga tegelikult vist ei läinud kõiki asju vajagi.
Jõudu!
Atäh, läks kohe kergemaks!
Mul on veel küsimusi muidugi hehe, ma loodan, et väga ei tüüta.
Kas te panite sinna kaasa ka muid tõendeid oma suhtest peale piltide ja lennupiletite? Seal kodulehel mainitakse telefonikõnede väljavõtet ja omavahelisi kirju. Meil on neid 4 aasta eest, ma ei kujuta küll ette milline näks välja 4 aastat kõnede registrit ja e-maile, ning kaarte-kirju, mis meil olemas on. Me peaks sellisel juhul need kastiga neile saatma hehe.
Kui palju neid lisada üldse tuleks?
Ahjaa ma arvan,et äkki võis su 5es dokument olla tõestus ühisest pangakontost? Meil on Eestis ühine arve, selle kavatsen ka tõestuseks panna aga ma ei tea kas seda on mõtet legaliseerida, pole ju nii ametlik dokumentki.
Lisaks piltidele ja lennupiletitele kirjutasime kumbki juurde põhjaliku romaani sellest kuidas me kohtusime, suhtlesime, koos reisisime ja miks me Kanadasse kolida tahame. Me panime juurde umbes 30 pilti mis olid kõik nummerdatud ja meie romaanides ära mainitud. Tegelikult vist nõutakse vähem pilte, kümnekandis.
Eesti pangad peaks väljastama ka inglisekeelseid konto väljavõtteid, seega ma ei usu, et tegemist oli ühise pangakonto tõestusega. See on vast selline eraasi mis neid eriti ei huvita. Samas selle lisamine kindlasti kahju ka ei tee...
Aitäh info eest ja häid pühi!
Kuidas sulle Kanadas muidu meeldib elada?
Eks ma olen siin paari sõnaga kirjutanud ka kuidas siin elada meeldib. Kahe sõnaga - päris hästi. Meil oli tegelikult valik konkreetselt Vancouveri ja Melbourne (Austraalia) vahel kui põnevamaid jahimaid kaalusime. Vancouver on ülejäänud Kanadast väga teistmoodi - talvel lund näiteks peaaegu üldse ei tule, samas saab linnalähedastesse mägedesse peaaegu aastaringselt lund katsuma minna. Mõnikord on selline tunne, et Kanada on nagu suurem ja lahmakam Eesti - näiteks uudistesaateid vaadates tuleb teinekord samasugune tunne nagu Reporterit kodus vaadates, sest probleemid ja teemad on enam-vähem samad.
Ameerika telesaateid vaadates näiteks sellist tunnet ei teki kunagi, nad on rohkem nagu omas maailmas.
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